Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 23:12:44 -0700
From: dmkocot@garbersoft.net ("David Kocot")
Subject: Re: [libs4peace] Re: History and facts
To: libs4peace@yahoogroups.com
> I believe in Israel Palestinians can become citizens.
Nope. Only those who didn't flee and remained within the 1948 borders were
allowed citizenship. This citizenship, however, is a lot like the
citizenship allowed blacks in the south after reconstruction. They are, de
facto, third class citizens. While it's true that they are allowed to hold
public office, it is also true that Palestinians in Israel who hold public
office have to tread very carefully - one was recently arrested for
criticizing the occupation. They also have to swear that they will support
the inherent Jewishness of the state. Non-Jews are subjected to a great many
injustices in Israel, including an inability to own firearms, buy land,
serve in the military, receive benefits from many government programs,
(something very important in a country that operats under a socialist
economic system) etc., etc...not to mention routine harrasment, brutality,
and humiliation at the hand of Jewish supremacists.
> You can't find any of the Arab states that exist today on a map that
> was drawn before WWI.
So the only countries on the planet that have a right to exist are those
decreed by Europeans? How is that a libertarian proposition?
Also, the Jews of Iran are guaranteed a seat in the Iranian parliament, as
are Christians and Zoroastrians.
David Kocot
Ontario, California
----- Original Message -----
From: "hrearden_hr" <HRearden@profit.com>
To: <libs4peace@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 10:05 PM
Subject: [libs4peace] Re: History and facts
> --- In libs4peace@y..., Travis Klein <travisk@u...> wrote:
> > On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, hrearden_hr wrote:
> >
> > > Palestinians can not become citizens.
>
>
>
> I believe in Israel Palestinians can become citizens.
>
> H. Rearden
>
>
> In Israel Arabs are allowed
> > > citizenship and can vote. There are Arabs in the Parliament of
> > > Israel. There are no Jews who hold a government office or
> position in
> > > any Arab state. If the PLO and other Palestinian terrorist groups
> > > have the same military power that Israel does they would use it to
> > > attempt to destroy Israel.
> >
> > Oh, so because Israel is a democracy, that makes it ok?
>
>
> I believe that it is ok for Israel to allow Arabs to become citizens
> and hold elective office.
>
> H. Rearden
>
>
>
> The US allows
> > drug users to vote also, but even if AZ voted to make marijuana
> legal do
> > you think Ashcroft and crew would allow it?
> >
>
> Probably not.
>
> H. Rearden
>
>
>
> > > Israel is only 1% of the Middle East. Jews are from the Middle
> East.
> > > Many of the Arab countries do not want the Jews to have any land
> in
> > > the Middle East eventhough they are from the Middle East.
> > > Think about that. Jews are from the Middle East. The Middle East
> in
> > > part is their land. Is 1% too much?
> >
> > So Jews are from the Middle East? Jews are from the middle east?
> My head
> > is about to explode.
> >
>
>
> The point is that there are many Arabs who don't want them in the
> Middle East eventhough the Middle East is their homeland. Jews did
> not originate in North, South, or Central America, Europe, Asia,
> Africa, Australia, or other lands.
>
>
> H. Rearden $
>
>
> > > Many North American Indians
> > > originated from what became and is the U.S. In the 19th century
> at
> > > least the U.S. government made Oklahoma Indian territory. The PLO
> > > and/or so called Palestinian authority and many Arab states don't
> > > think their should be any land for the Jews in the Middle East.
> >
> > Horray for the USA. They kill millions of N. Americans, burn their
> > villages, destroy their economy, rape their women, BUT they got the
> Indian
> > Territory. Hey HL, why is it that I can't find the Indian
> Territory on
> > the map?
>
>
> You can't find any of the Arab states that exist today on a map that
> was drawn before WWI. Indians today have lands called reservations.
> They have their own tribal governments. In the 1980's an Indian from
> South Dakota was wanted by authorities in that state and he fled to
> the Iroquois in NY. The Iroquois allowed him to stay with them. South
> Dakota wanted the state of NY to arrest him and extradite him back to
> SD. The governor of NY (Cumo) refused to send law enforcement agents
> into the Iroquois land because the Iroquois unlike just about all
> other Indians have a unique arrangement. They are treated as if they
> are a soveriegn nation within the U.S. The governor took the view
> that he did not have the jurisdiction to send state law enforcement
> agents on the Iroquois land.
>
>
> H. Rearden
>
>
> Oh right cause the USA took it back. (Just as a side note many
> > tribes were forced to march to OK whose home land was hundreds
> sometimes
> > thousands of miles away)
>
>
> That is true. I have a very distant relative who was a full blooded
> (actually its your genes not your blood) Cherokee. I am familure with
> the trail of tears and a fan of General Stand Waite who was a
> Cherokee who was a General in the Rebel Army. He was the last Rebel
> General to surrender.
>
>
> H. Rearden
>
>
>
> If you continue to vote for the same policies, you will continue to get
the same consequences because of those policies.
>
>
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